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Author: GB54 Big funky green star, 20000 posts Top Recommended Fools Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: of 371791  
Subject: Fill kettle from hot tap Date: 07/01/2010 09:18
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We have a combi boiler. Its it ok to fill the kettle from the hot tap? Or is the water contaminated for drinking by being in the combi?
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Author: Swill453 Big funky green star, 20000 posts Top Recommended Fools Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 301262 of 371791
Subject: Re: Fill kettle from hot tap Date: 07/01/2010 09:20
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It's just mains cold water, heated. I don't see that it could be a problem.

Scott.

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Subject: Re: Fill kettle from hot tap Date: 07/01/2010 10:44
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Minerals dissolve faster in hot water. I would NEVER use hot tap water for consumption myself.

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Author: loir Big red star, 1000 posts Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 301264 of 371791
Subject: Re: Fill kettle from hot tap Date: 07/01/2010 11:05
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Minerals dissolve faster in hot water. I would NEVER use hot tap water for consumption myself.

What minerals? Do you mean the copper from the pipes or the steel in a heat exchanger?

And some substances get dumped (precipitate out) when water is heated. That's why boilers and kettles get coated in limescale.

I mostly use hot water to fill our kettle.

Loir

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Author: bungeejumper Big gold star, 5000 posts Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 301265 of 371791
Subject: Re: Fill kettle from hot tap Date: 07/01/2010 11:13
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What minerals? Do you mean the copper from the pipes or the steel in a heat exchanger?

Lead from old solder. Heavy metals from damaged heating elements. Take your pick. I expect this contamination is less of a problem these days than it used to be, but I wouldn't risk it lightly.

Mostly, though, the reason I don't do it because the water just tastes bad. Not so bad if you're drinking coffee, but it makes ruddy awful tea.

BJ

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Subject: Re: Fill kettle from hot tap Date: 07/01/2010 11:36
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I wouldn't drink hot water from a hot water tank. It might have been sitting around for a while and could have various nasties dissolved or growing in it.

However, if the water has come out of the water main, through a combi boiler and then into the tap, then it won't have any bugs growing in it, and there won't have been much time to get nasty minerals dissolved into it.

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Subject: Re: Fill kettle from hot tap Date: 07/01/2010 12:15
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I wouldnt drink tap water full stop!

Cheers - Col

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Author: killergorilla Big red star, 1000 posts Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 301270 of 371791
Subject: Re: Fill kettle from hot tap Date: 07/01/2010 12:19
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What's your reasoning? Is it economy or convenience?

If it's economy you may make a marginal saving if the boiler is a gas boiler. If electric It probably doesn't make a tremendous amount of difference.

If it's for convenience there is no real health hazard to putting hot water in the kettle, especially if the rest of your plumbing is modern. The cold water will be running over much the same terrain as the hot.

The main reason for not using hot water for filling a kettle is one of quality. Hot water has less dissolved gases than cold and makes a 'flat' cup of tea. Tea experts suggest always using fresh cold water and bringing this to the boil. They even say you should empty the kettle of previously boiled water as this will have lost it's brightness. Anecdotally I agree with this. If you taste fresh tap water and cooled water which has been boiled; the tap water (assuming it's not too heavily chlorinated) invariably tastes brighter.

So in answer to your question, it depends how much you value the enhanced experience of marginally nicer tea over the few moments you'll save by using hot water.

KG

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Subject: Re: Fill kettle from hot tap Date: 07/01/2010 12:19
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I wouldnt drink tap water full stop!

What do you use to make tea then? Bacteria and salt-laden bottled water?

Scott.

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Author: Swill453 Big funky green star, 20000 posts Top Recommended Fools Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 301272 of 371791
Subject: Re: Fill kettle from hot tap Date: 07/01/2010 12:21
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The main reason for not using hot water for filling a kettle is one of quality. Hot water has less dissolved gases than cold and makes a 'flat' cup of tea. Tea experts suggest always using fresh cold water and bringing this to the boil.

Remember we're talking about a combi boiler here. The water is freshly heated.

Scott.

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Author: killergorilla Big red star, 1000 posts Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 301273 of 371791
Subject: Re: Fill kettle from hot tap Date: 07/01/2010 12:25
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"I wouldn't drink tap water full stop!"

Which is a shame as many good people have gone to extraordinary lengths to make this feat possible. It depends which part of the country you live in but in Kent the tap water is perfectly palatable. Further filtering in home where there are localised problems with chlorination (although standing drinking water for 10 minutes gets rid of this alone) or mineral content renders it virtually identical if not better than bottled water.

Bottled water is THE biggest marketing con of the century and the ultimate consumer vanity.

KG

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Subject: Re: Fill kettle from hot tap Date: 07/01/2010 12:35
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Remember we're talking about a combi boiler here. The water is freshly heated.

Other than that which has sat in the pipes between boiler and tap, which could be well more than a kettle full, depending on pipe runs.

Slarti

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Subject: Re: Fill kettle from hot tap Date: 07/01/2010 12:53
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Other than that which has sat in the pipes between boiler and tap,
My dad used to make fun of my mum when she ran the cold water tap for ages before using it to drink from. She used to say she didn't want to drink water that had been sitting around in pipes. He used to say you'd better run it for a very long time then because it'll have to get here from the lake district. (about 50 miles away)

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Subject: Re: Fill kettle from hot tap Date: 07/01/2010 12:56
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"Bottled water is THE biggest marketing con of the century and the ultimate consumer vanity"

Agreed - Peckham Spring Water anybody ;)

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Author: Buffles Three stars, 500 posts Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 301280 of 371791
Subject: Re: Fill kettle from hot tap Date: 07/01/2010 13:00
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My dad used to make fun of my mum when she ran the cold water tap for ages before using it to drink from. She used to say she didn't want to drink water that had been sitting around in pipes. He used to say you'd better run it for a very long time then because it'll have to get here from the lake district. (about 50 miles away)


Running the taps may have been not such a bad idea a few years ago when house pipes were made of lead.

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Author: GB54 Big funky green star, 20000 posts Top Recommended Fools Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 301286 of 371791
Subject: Re: Fill kettle from hot tap Date: 07/01/2010 13:24
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Thanks for the replies. In the absence of further evidence this would be my feeling too:

Lead from old solder. Heavy metals from damaged heating elements. Take your pick. I expect this contamination is less of a problem these days than it used to be, but I wouldn't risk it lightly.


I just need to persude Mrs GB54. :-)

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Author: spudulica Big gold star, 5000 posts Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 301287 of 371791
Subject: Re: Fill kettle from hot tap Date: 07/01/2010 13:35
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I wouldn't drink hot water from a hot water tank


Neither would OP, as OP has a combi boiler, hence no hot water tank.

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Subject: Re: Fill kettle from hot tap Date: 07/01/2010 13:43
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If the motivation is cost, the distance between the boiler and the tap, and therefore the length of time the boiler has to fire up before the water comes out hot, would be a factor.

Additionally, if you have a water meter the bill will go up (not by a lot).

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Subject: Re: Fill kettle from hot tap Date: 07/01/2010 13:56
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Bottled water is THE biggest marketing con of the century and the ultimate consumer vanity.

Not only is it an absurd waste of money, the environmental damage caused by the plastic bottles is devastating. This article should be required reading for anyone who buys this rubbish - http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/bottled-water-or-bottled-environ...

In my extremely un-humble opinion it should be banned immediately!

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Author: Triassic Big red star, 1000 posts Add to my Favorite Fools Ignore this person (you won't see their posts anymore) Number: 301295 of 371791
Subject: Re: Fill kettle from hot tap Date: 07/01/2010 14:19
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It's also worth remembering that bottled water comes from the same place as tap water!

Personally I wouldn't buy bottled water as it's a dubiously marketed fad product and in many cases is nothing more than processed tap water.

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Subject: Re: Fill kettle from hot tap Date: 07/01/2010 14:33
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Hi all

The original question essentially having been answered, please would everyone now consider this thread closed.

Thanks & Foolish regards

Tarantula

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